Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby PLCFan » Sun Dec 12, 2010 11:46 pm

I just took a look at the team competing in the U13A and U15A division this year.
In U13A, we have gone from 15 teams in 2010 to 10 teams in 2011.
I was surprised to see that we have lost some of the usually competitive teams competing in the A division.

2011 Boys Junior U13A
East U13A
Diablo Scorpion B13A
Lamorinda Charge B13A
Pleasanton Hurricanes B13A
Walnut Creek Warriors B13A

West U13A
Central Marin Blue Jays B13A
Firehawks B13A
Petaluma River Cats B13A
Ross Valley Grizzlies B13A
S. Marin Wolfpack B13A
Town School B13A

2010 Boys Junior U13A
East U13A
Diablo Scorpion B13A
Lamorinda Charge B13A
Pleasanton Hurricanes B13A
Skyline Red B13A
Walnut Creek Warriors B13A

North U13A
El Dorado HillsTrojans B13A
Grizzlies B13A
Novato B13A
Petaluma River Cats B13A
Ross Valley Grizzlies B13A
S. Marin Wolfpack B13A

South U13A
Firehawks B13A
South Bay Crusaders B13A
Town School B13A
West Valley Red Hawks B13A


In the U15A, 18 teams in 2010 to 15 teams in 2011
What happened to South Marin?

2011 Boys Senior U15A
East U15A
Diablo Scorpion B15A
Granite Bay Grizzlies B15A
Lamorinda Shock B15A
Livermore Phantom B15A
Pleasanton Thunder B15A
Walnut Creek Warriors B15A

North U15A
Central Marin Blue Jays B15A
Novato B15A
Petaluma River Cats B15A
Ross Valley Grizzlies B15A
Town School B15A

South U15A
Crusaders Blue B15A
Firehawks B15A
Monterey Tribe Gold B15A
Stuart Hall B15A

2010 Boys Senior U15A
East U15A
Diablo Scorpion B15A
Elk Grove Gladiators B15A
Lamorinda Shock B15A
Pleasanton Thunder B15A
Skyline Red B15A
Walnut Creek Warriors B15A

North U15A
Central Marin Blue Jays B15A
El Dorado Hills Trojans B15A
Granite Bay Grizzlies B15A
Novato B15A
Petaluma River Cats B15A
Ross Valley B15A
S. Marin Wolfpack B15A

South U15A
Chiefs B15A
Firehawks B15A
South Bay Crusaders Blue B15A
Tomahawks B15A
West Valley Red Hawks B15A
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby bay.bird » Tue Dec 14, 2010 8:55 pm

The lower numbers at the U13 and U15 A divisions is both surprising and disappointing. At a time when the game is growing, to have fewer A teams is a let down. There are a few clubs that have been around a long time not fielding A teams at the U13 and U15 levels. I don't expect explosive growth at the A level but we should see steady growth, not decline. Perhaps this is a one year step back and we continue to move forward again next year.
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby picknroll » Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:10 am

It's two years in a row that the club that won U15A has not fielded a U15A team the next year.
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby bay.bird » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:01 am

picknroll wrote:It's two years in a row that the club that won U15A has not fielded a U15A team the next year.


I'm sure this has not gone unnoticed by many.
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby chmdave » Wed Dec 15, 2010 3:26 pm

At some point we all need to take a look at this and ask the league to impose order...

If a club that's been around more than five years has enough players in a division to field two teams then one of them needs to be an 'A' team...

A simple rule like that will alter most clubs thinking if they know they MUST compete at the 'A' level...they'll work more diligently to develop their players and coaches to meet that requirement...

A minus teams playing at the B level doesn't do anybody any good...

As far as U15, where neither Town nor Southern Marin have defended their titles, my understanding is it's about numbers...

Neither club had enough players at U15 to field a team...embarrassing on one level but almost impossible to control...you either have enough players or you don't...
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby chmdave » Wed Dec 15, 2010 4:36 pm

Forgive me ladies and gentlemen but to follow up...

U13 has 10A teams and 45B teams???

Most of the B teams are fielding C teams as well...one club is even fielding TWO B teams...

Why does it make any sense to allow A minus teams to beat up on B teams?

How does this honor the game?
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby SkylineCoach » Wed Dec 15, 2010 8:43 pm

Skyline put U15 A teams on the field the last 2 years. Combined win/loss was 5-22.

Last year, we had 35 kids in U15 and tried to make an A team out of 17 (49% of our U15 players). 2 concussions and a broken wrist later, our season was essentially over 3 games in.

Contrast that to a club with 5 teams at U15, selecting the best 20 out of 100+ to put on an A team...less than 20% of their players. Now imagine 3 or 4 clubs like that.

Where's the honor in cannon fodder, where "established clubs" are supposed to serve up ready-made opponents for clubs 2 or 3 times the size? No amount of coaching or honor can make up the difference in that. Its like saying Cal and Maryland both have seniors on their lacrosse teams and similar enrollments, so they should schedule each other.

We had 54 kids in 7/8 lacrosse in '08. Dropped to 46, in '09 the first year of U15 (as half the 7th graders were still in U13). And the above-mentioned 35 in '10.

For '11, we registered all of 27 kids in U15 lacrosse. Correlation between 2 frustrating seasons and kids taking up golf, tennis, and xBox? Yeah, its there. We've lost exactly half our participants in U15 in 3 years because the playing field isn't level.

I'm a man of simple words. And in simple words: screw that.

The problem isn't with the medium-sized clubs not "stepping up". Look elsewhere...

Will Skyline field A teams in the future? Yes. When we have a group of core kids with the talent, experience, and desire to compete. But I get where Town & So Marin are coming from - on a mid-size club, you have to assess your talent year by year.

Don't ever presume you can tell clubs what to do because it "looks good on paper".

And don't forget, the NCJLA spent 3 summer workshops and the Delegates' meeting asking what Clubs wanted. The answers were "balance", "less travel", and "more fun". So maybe 45 B teams is progress, not otherwise. Do all 45 B teams have a chance for their kids to have a fun season, some wins and some losses, and nobody has to play in Palo Alto at 7:30pm and then again in Danville at 8 am the next day? Yes? That's progress in my book.
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby chmdave » Wed Dec 15, 2010 10:52 pm

Thank you Skyline I appreciate your taking the time to explain the situation...but I think we agree far more than you think...
I know U13 better so if I may...if there were 20-25 A teams...that would mean 10-15 clubs with 45 or more U13 players stepped up to the A level...the mega club teams would not be a substantial part of their year...heck, don't even schedule them if you don't want to...

But your club has the expectation of competing at the A level year after year...and will prepare accordingly...

With a significant cross section of clubs participating...you don't get that Cannon Fodder thing happening like you've experienced...otherwise, where's the entry point?

When does a mid sized club pull the trigger on A level participation knowing that if they go it alone they risk being cannon fodder for the mega clubs?
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby SkylineCoach » Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:08 pm

If there were 20+ A teams, it would be great to pick & choose who we would schedule... except it doesn't work that way. There are divisional-play requirements, playoff eligibility concerns (I've never met a game scheduler, at any level, who would concede away playoff eligibility before his or her team plays a single game), and travel time involved.

I've got tons of teams within 30 minutes. Enough of them are B to fill out a whole season. Why cross bridges or drive hours, when there are opponents in the next town? Some will be strong, some not so much. But if we're all treating the situation equally, it will be a good season for everyone.

I took to heart the NCJLA's stance that A level play is not for everyone. The soccer model is a good one: there are "elite" regional teams which draw from one or two entire counties - which is where A lacrosse might be. B level lacrosse is still selective, where there are tryouts and some travel, and a meaningful (flighted tournament) postseason. And C is your basic neighborhood rec league, for beginners, and kids who also want to do other things at the same time. I think its a pretty enlightened system, realistic and addressing the wants and needs of the majority of players. And I think it speaks well for the clubs and the NCJLA that C didn't turn into the largest division...
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Re: Teams competing in U13A and U15A in 2011

Postby chmdave » Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:55 am

Ok...

I get it thank you...

One more question and I'm out...In this scenario, what do you do with a kid or kids who live in your area, developed in your program and have lights out A talent...

Do you keep them home on your B team or do you encourage them to check out the A program down the road?
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