Travel team costs

Travel team costs

Postby motiv8orr » Sun Aug 09, 2015 9:37 am

Hi,

It seems that most travel teams keep their costs hidden away until you have tried out and been invited to the team. It is difficult for parents to gauge what we are getting into.

In an effort to shed some light on this, I thought members here could share what information they have. So I'll start...

Last year, Madlax charged $2000. That included 2 or 3 fall/winter tournaments, 4 summer tournaments, and box lacrosse league. They also offered them "ala carte" so you could just do fall or summer or box.

I believe that Team Norcal had a team fee, (was about $800 a couple of years back) then charges for each tournament the player would attend, depending on location. So an east coast tourney might be over a grand, where a local one was only a few hundred.

Someone told me Booth is about $2000.

The Outlaws were over $3000 I believe, and they don't attend very many tournaments.

Does anyone have more, or different information?
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby laxtruth » Thu Aug 13, 2015 7:03 pm

You shouldn't be posting travel team true and complete costs because that is a competitive thing, you know. LOL. Just like not being able to post those rosters.

Seriously, no matter which team you join, you will be coughing up from $4000 to $10,000 a year per kid, depending on how many games are in So Cal and out of state, which are many, what skill level your kid is, and what age/grade (hs vs youth) he/she is. Team fees, travel fees, showcases, national teams and games, tapes, etc, etc. etc. How else do you think these guys make a ton money off you??

Actually this is an excellent thread. I hope a lot of people post what they paid for their travel team. The numbers might shock some of you, especially when you list out what you got for all that $$$$$.
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby AVD » Wed Aug 19, 2015 9:08 am

For 2020’s, 3d fee was $2800 last year and $2500 the year before. It’s now $3500. For 2019/2018's this year’s fee is $4000. This covers: uniforms, entry into five tournaments (Oceanside Hustle/3d, Sandstorm, Denver Shootout/3d, FLG/3d, and another East coast). It does get a bit repetitive seeing the same 3d regional teams in the ‘3d intramural’ events.
Last year there were ~12 practices. It looks the number is being bumped up this year. You do of course get 3d’s trademarked Box-Field Hybrid Development System (and a glass of purple coolaid).

Travel is a big expense (Denver and East coast trips). Expect total budget of $7000 to $10,000. Add in participation on any of the National select teams, camps, clinics, showcases, etc. and the dollar number keeps climbing. It’s not necessarily the best players participating at some of these elite travel team events, but the best players whose parents can afford it.
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby 2019laxdad » Wed Aug 19, 2015 10:08 pm

Sac ADVNC Charges $1445 for Youth Teams, $1845 for HS. That's for a Sept 2015 through July 2016 season. Five tournaments, about 60 hours of training, uniform, base camp meals, etc...

Winter HS Tournaments are the 3d Oceanside Hustle in early December and the Sandstorm. Summer HS tourneys for the 2019 team will be three of the following: Tahoe, Denver Shootout, Crabfeast, and the Oregon Classic. 2017 and 2018s are similar, but they will do Vail instead of the Crabfeast.

Winter youth tournaments are the same as HS. Summer tournaments are all in CA and OR.

Chris Rotelli puts on a great program for a fair price in the Sacramento area. Costs are higher in the Bay Area, which is part of the reason why the program fees are much higher.
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby motiv8orr » Fri Aug 21, 2015 3:39 pm

Thanks everyone for the replies. It is clear that some teams offer a better value, more "bang for the buck"

Adding another...

North Bay Aces, $1025 team registration, and $225 per tournament.
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby wclax » Tue Aug 25, 2015 11:50 pm

Outlaws was $3500 last year. Doesn't include travel, which runs an additional 3-5K. Same deal as the other expensive travel teams, the talent level reflects the fact that many families can't afford the expense and most of the top players around don't participate. The Outlaws also form multiple teams in each age group if they have enough demand, so the player pool can look a little dicey.

Parents cannot forget that these travel teams are business's first and the fact that so many families are wiling to pay crazy money trumps everything else.
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby 2019laxdad » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:56 am

Another driver of these costs is the escalation of tournament registration fees, especially at the high school level. Lacrosse tournaments have always been significantly more expensive that other sports - don't know why. Soccer, for example, can seem to put on a weekend tournament while charging less than $1,000 per team. But even the least expensive lacrosse tournaments are double that.

For HS age teams, it gets worse. There has been a growing trend to call a tournament a "recruiting event," and then vastly change the fee structure. Leading the way on this is Adrenaline. Their San Diego area event in early January charges a flat $700 plus ~ $350 per player. That's almost $8,000 per team for a five game tournament. Do the math, and the revenue per game is off the charts ($3,200 per game played). They charge that much despite the fact that the tournament takes place during the D1 quiet/dead period. D1 coaches can't attend. 3d's Denver Shootout works out to around $5-$6k per team for the same reason. Even lower level events are chasing the money and getting greedy. A local organization has put on the "Grand Gobbler" in November for the past few years. It was a small, early-season, local tournament. This year, they "upgraded" it to a recruiting tournament. HS teams are being asked to pay about $4,000 to enter - double the fee they charged last year. Sorry, we are going to pass on that "opportunity."

So, yes, the travel team organizations are driving these fees up (and diluting the level of play) because they can't say "no" to the money. But equally culpable are many of these tournament organizers. Until the travel teams (and/or parents) start to refuse to pay these outrageous fees for tournaments, then the organizers will just keep raising the fees. The pushback has begun, and hopefully it will continue to apply pressure.

This is definitely an "industry." They are selling the dream of college recruitment, even if it is a pipe dream for most.
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby laxtruth » Wed Aug 26, 2015 10:42 am

All very good posts and right on the money (pun intended). I will only add many of the tourney organizers ARE also the travel team owners. They send their own teams to these events! As mentioned above, the main reason for the high and crazy prices is because parents pay it, and usually without hesitation. Have to get little or big johnnie on the best travel team to get recruited. Will pay ANYTHING to be on 3d (fill in your travel team's name), blah, blah, blah.....We fuel the fire. ](*,)

Be aware that some travel teams fees are only for 6 months or half a season. When you add it all up and pay the individual tourney fees, it is well over $4,000, and that is not including the travel expenses.

I could tell you so many travel team horror stories from talking to parents on the sidelines and from my own experiences - Most dealing with travel team and event organizer greed, incompetence, apathy towards players/parents, arrogance (both parents and coaches), and short-sighted behavior (i.e., maximize short term profits instead of developing a long term, successful, growing business model, and focusing on long term player/team development); Seeing coaches pick their sons for all-star teams over and over again, especially when their sons are not the best ones on the team! I don't know how parents put up with that after spending a ton of money to be on a "elite/select" team.
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby wclax » Thu Aug 27, 2015 9:29 am

I hope you're right about "the push back has just begun". Right now, there is no such thing as an elite travel team in NorCal. At one point there was talk of all the travel teams working together and jointly facilitating a true NorCal elite team to represent NorCal in hot bed regions that would require quite a bit of travel. However, ego's and different agenda's quickly squashed that idea and instead are chasing crazy $$.

The travel team season has become an extension of the NCJLA season. In fact, some argue that the NCJLA season offers up a more competitive and consistent environment - much of it obviously depends on the coaching situation. It's not too uncommon to see kids who make the so called "elite travel team" play on B teams for their respective NCJLA club team.

All youth sports are nuts, not just Lacrosse. There are some amazing people out there working to make it right for the greater population of lacrosse players/families (and the bulk of the talented players) to create more playing options under the appropriate setting and guidance. This shift will continue to play out and the so called elite travel team model in the Lacrosse world will continue to erode from a talent standpoint. No doubt that the crazy dad's will continue too exist and throw money at these guys so they can be told how great little Johnnie is, but the results that these travel teams are producing continue to be subpar on both the local and national stage.
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Re: Travel team costs

Postby 2019laxdad » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:00 pm

There is another unfortunate trend playing out that puts the future of "affordable" youth lacrosse in jeopardy. More and more NCJLA clubs are being "infiltrated" by these off-season travel clubs. On the surface it seems innocent enough - the non-profit clubs are often short on man-power and on experienced coaches. Why not pay an "expert" coach to run an "A" team? The problem is that it does not stop there. The owners/employees of the travel team organizations that are hired to coach an NCJLA team are not just looking for a coaching stipend - they want to encourage players to play for them in the off-season, so they can increase that revenue stream as well.

The competitive juices of adults then comes in to play. If one NCJLA club hires "professional" coaches then others feel the need to keep pace. This is encouraged by the off-season travel teams who make an active effort to convince NCJLA clubs that they should turn over the on-field operations to them.

The problem with all of this is two fold. First, it drives up the cost of participation for youth players, and it makes the sport less approachable. Second, it deprives clubs and their parents of the opportunity (or expectation) that they learn the sport sufficiently to help coach it. Parents and NCJLA club members become detached from the field if they pay someone else to engage the kids.

There is already a "haves" and "haves not" in this area throughout the NCJLA. That will persist. And if they continue down this road, the cost of playing youth lacrosse in the spring will be out of reach for many kids. The monetization of the non-profit NCJLA clubs is well under way.
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