Another Disappointing Seed for Stanford in NCAAs

Another Disappointing Seed for Stanford in NCAAs

Postby Scorekeeper » Tue May 10, 2011 5:48 pm

Once again, Stanford gets little respect from the seeding committee for the NCAAs. Two years ago it was left out of the tournament despite a national ranking within the top 16 and a win in the last game of the season against No. 3 ranked Penn. Last year, it had a play-in game rather than an automatic bid because it was "only" Mountain Pacific, while some ridiculously weak conferences had automatic bids due to their historical position in lacrosse (like, ten years ago) and Colgate and UMass wound up getting crushed in the first round.

This time, they finished ranked No. 7 by the coaches, No. 7 on Laxpower's computer and No. 5 in the Laxpower readers poll but wind up getting a No. 13 seed. Is it East Coast bias again? Or just a vote of no confidence based on the conference they play in?

First round game is with No. 4 seed Florida, on May 14 AT Florida. Florida has come on very quickly as a national power, defeating Northwestern this year before losing to the same team by a single goal in the conference playoff final. Stanford also lost to Northwestern by a single goal just two weeks earlier. Stanford is 16-2 and Florida is 15-3 although Florida had a tougher schedule as seemingly fewer Eastern teams have been willing to travel to Stanford and the Pacific coast opposition is not as highly rated (yet). Strength of schedule seems to really hurt in these seeding meetings, yet there is only so much that Stanford can do about that by itself.
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Re: Another Disappointing Seed for Stanford in NCAAs

Postby MDIALG » Wed May 11, 2011 5:14 pm

Here is some information for you on why.....this is from the Bracketology Forum on LaxPower

The bracket rankings and draws are not done by the polls, but actually a team's RPI. In that category, Stanford's rating was either 9 or 10, depending where you get your statistics, ensuring that they would not host a first round game. Yes, there is an East Coast bias, but at this point, that is warranted because most of the teams playing are situated in the East. Of the 91 NCAA Division I schools playing Women's Lacrosse, I believe that less than 20 are not East Coast/Atlantic Coast based. My understanding is that the draws also take into account travel distances and there is an effort to minimize the number of plane flights necessary to play the first round.

Bottom line is that Stanford was going to have to take a plane ride somewhere for the first round and there was no way of avoiding it based on their tournament seeding.

Navy... RPI:23 @ Maryland (1)...RPI: 2
BC...RPI: 14 @ Northwestern (2)...RPI: 1
Virginia...RPI: 13 @ UNC (3)...RPI: 4
Stanford...RPI: 10 @ Florida (4)...RPI: 3
Penn ...RPI: 11 @ Duke (5)...RPI: 5
UMass...RPI: 9 @ Loyola (6)...RPI: 7
Dartmouth...RPI: 15 @ Albany (7)...RPI: 6
Princeton....RPI: 12 @ JMU (8)...RPI: 8

More data on: W-L record of colleges that were selected and how they competed.

Maryland 10 games vs other tournament selected teams 9-1 record
UNC 10 games vs other tournament selected teams 5-5 record
N'Western 9 games vs other tournament selected teams 8-1 record
Duke 9 games vs other tournament selected teams 5-4 record
UVA 9 games vs other tournament selected teams 1-8 record
Princeton 7 games vs other tournament selected teams 2-5 record
UPenn 7 games vs other tournament selected teams 3-4 record
BC 6 games vs other tournament selected teams 1-5 record
JMU 5 games vs other tournament selected teams 3-2 record
Dartmouth 4 games vs other tournament selected teams 2-2 record
Florida 3 games vs other tournament selected teams 1-2 record
Albany 2 games vs other tournament selected teams 2-0 record
UMass 2 games vs other tournament selected teams 0-2 record **AQ**
Loyola 1 game vs other tournament selected teams 1-0 record
Navy 1 game vs other tournament selected teams 0-1 record **AQ**
Stanford 1 game vs other tournament selected teams 0-1 record **AQ**


Here is the selection committee:
Teddi Burns, Loyola University Maryland, chair
Michael Daly, University of New Hampshire
Ann-Marie Guglieri, Colgate University
Liza Kelly, University of Denver
Cathy Reese, University of Maryland, College Park
Candice Lee, Vanderbilt University


The bottom line is yes there is an east coast bias however, at the end of the day Stanford's schedule/RPI was not as strong as those back East. A couple of schools that Stanford beat were only bubble teams (OSU and Louisville.) There was a lot of discussion on LaxPower on why UVA was in and OSU and PSU were out.....interesting reading if you have the time....and it had to do with the same things, Strength of Schedule and their RPI.....At the end of the day Stanford got the seed they earned.


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